@zzyzx said:

And the reason i don't get the 4th set rule is because:

1) The Lemonwheel one was on the main stage with no extra visuals really.

I completely agree that the Lemonwheel Ambient jam has to be considered, even if you are excluding "secret" sets - there was nothing remotely secret about it, Trey announced it from the stage IIRC. And in including it raises my opinion of Lemonwheel considerably.

In fact, the 4th sets of Lemonwheel, IT, SBIX, and Magna are all huge pluses for me, even on tape. Flatbed Jam probably would be too, if a full recording existed. It's hard for me to say that the Great Went Disco detracts from the show, but it certainly doesn't help its case in the rankings.

If I was doing these rankings with the 4th set considered I would put IT as a strong second place (after Cypress of course). Then I would go Went, Magna, Clifford Ball, Coventry, Lemonwheel, SBIX, 8, and Oswego.