Thank you Twicebitten! I was definitely thrown off by the Mcgrupp. I heard two guitars in that clip as well so I knew it was early. Plus the clip was from the jam section towards the end that they ended up making more into a composed section not too long after the debut. But I listened to that whipping post > mcgrupp like five times wondering where the hell the mcgrupp started. Never downloaded the show though so that was my problem. And I never would've found that Jim. Ever